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Libkhan Bazaeva, the founder of “Women’s Dignity” charitable organisation     

In our society, when it comes to women, there is always a problem of control over the life of a woman. From the very minute a baby girl is born and up to the moment that she comes of age, there’s an attempt to keep her under control. The moral requirements for a woman and for a man differ drastically. Men have, say, at least 50% more permission and indulgence, if not more. It’s hard to determine exactly. That is precisely what is called a lack of gender equality.   

The notions of a decent woman vary significantly in different social groups.    

Well, there’s an extreme version of a different take on the problem, when it is considered that a decent woman is one who is totally subdued in her family, be it her father’s family or her husband’s, doesn’t matter which. And she would never overstep the boundaries imposed by her family. So that woman who, strictly speaking, has no will of her own, no independent thought, who is completely passive – she is considered a good woman. Personally I think that she may be good for this particular society, for this circle in the sense of preserving their mentality. But if you consider her by herself, she is an undeveloped personality, and she is not a free human being. So such women obediently marry whomever they’re told to, humbly live as second / third / etc. wives, submissively suffer and die from that life, those stresses, those hardships.   

There’s a huge imbalance now in terms of free time for men and women. Women are busy with much more work than boys or men are. Working men don’t have enough money anyway, because all jobs here are very poorly paid. Therefore a woman is trying to fill this gap and find some sort of activity for herself - it may be a business, however small, or maybe she’s doing the housekeeping, gardening, or vegetable-growing. So it often happens that independent boys are in reality very much depend on their own wife who’s sitting home with the kids, so he tries to meet her demands because she puts more work into the family.   

I believe that all the problems of our age have arisen because the emancipation of women – even though it’s a good thing, or “cool” as my kids say – has its consequences. That’s because the emancipation of women implies the emancipation of men in the first place. It’s impossible for men to be emancipated and yet for women to remain unemancipated.     

But for some reason, men resist that. They think: we are the elite, we can have everything and realize ourselves fully, and women have to be completely different and cannot be allowed all that. But it turned out that nobody was waiting for permission and that everything just happened anyway. And sometimes women’s behavior is shocking to men, even though it should be perceived as normal. It’s difficult for men, but it’s also difficult for women to go through this stage, and everybody’s confused.    

Social media exerts a lot of pressure on people. On one hand, there’s a liberation from all prohibitions, both religious and ethical. And having been liberated, people tend to try everything. And when people try everything, they are bound to lose something in their soul, in their picture of the world. And here one should ask certain questions. Say, you watch those programs, those ‘night’ channels. Moreover, you don’t even have to tune to a ‘night’ channel. Take any movie produced in Western Europe or even any Russian movie, and you inevitably find a sex scene or a love scene. In the past we used to close our eyes in the movie theater whenever a man and a woman on the screen were getting closer to each other, even just their faces. We would close our eyes or run away to another room, even young men would feel shy. And now people have become used to that. 

I notice how my own kids in my family – girls about eleven or twelve years old – just sit and watch calmly. They are not surprised when people start kissing. Nobody really cares any more, as long as there are no scenes involving nudity. If it comes to that, even grown-ups begin to fidget. In our family, my husband is “the master of the remote control.” But he is elderly and his reaction is rather slow. And before he understands what is going on I scream: “Change the channel. Let’s watch something else.” And he goes: “What?” – “Give me the remote!” And I just grab the remote. And my grown-up son is laughing and says: “You are such fun company to watch TV with…” And meanwhile the kids have already understood everything. If they’ve already watched through half of the scene, of course, they would understand. 

That kind of unpleasant situation happens with us every now and then. Because we belong to different generations, there are three generations in one household. Whatever is unethical to us is more or less acceptable to my son and his generation and absolutely natural for the third generation. That’s a contradiction. And we are a Chechen family, a big one. We share one guest-room and we have only one TV set, thank God. Otherwise everybody would be watching whatever they please. On one hand it’s a way to control things, but on the other hand it’s really hard.    

I'm constantly trying to understand the feelings of those who watch that, of the boys. The boys get used to such culture. But it doesn’t occur to them that women have access to TV as well. And later, when our boys get married, they expect to find innocence, shyness, and lack of knowledge in their wives. Then after a certain stage they get tired of their shyness, innocence, frigidity and lack of emotions. On the TV screen they’ve seen something different, so they want an active woman. And these contradictions start to take effect, and marriages end up in divorce. And it’s not always boys who ask for divorce. Sometimes it’s girls.   

You cannot stop these processes and changes and it would be wrong to try to do so deliberately, but it’s necessary to regulate them somehow.    

Another question is: who’s going to regulate them and how, by what means? That is precisely the question, because whatever the goal is, it never justifies the means. I think that forceful regulation of moral and ethical matters will never be successful.   It requires very serious efforts from the most progressive part of society: the thinking part. We need intellectuals to work on that. 

Customs and traditions, that is, stereotypes, appear in certain historical epochs, because they are needed, they are brought about by life itself. In other times the very same traditions die off and become useless or even harmful.   

It all needs to be studied. I think we need scholars here, sociologists, psychologists, historians and philosophers.
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About the project

Grozny, the capital of war-torn Chechnya, is a melting pot for changing Сaucasus society that is trying to overcome a post-trauma shock of two recent wars and find its own way of life in between traditional Сhechen values, Muslim traditions, and globalization, to cope with rapidly changing role of women, increasing contrast between rich and poor and political games. 

Our project Grozny: Nine Cities is inspired by a Thornton Wilder book, Theophilus North, and centers on the idea of nine cities being hidden in one, which gives us a concept to explore specific aspects of the aftermath of two Chechen wars considering them as ”cities” hidden within Grozny.
 

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THE CITY OF WOMEN
GROZNY 9 CITIES

An interactive documentary by
Olga Kravets, Maria Morina and Oksana Yoshenko. 

An interactive production by
Chewbahat Storytelling Lab 

Photographs and video production
Verso Images

Picture Editor & Curator
Anna Shpakova

Powered by
Racontr

Music and Sound design by
José Bautista - Kanseisound

Narrative Structure and Design
Gerald Holubowicz

English and Russian voice over
Maria Morina
The city of Ordinary People
The city of Religion
The city of Men
The city of Oil
The city of Women
The city of Strangers
The city that Ceased to Exist
The city of War
The city of Servants

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A conversation with two students from the Islamic University in Grozny, Aset Batagova, 24, and Makka Taisumova, 20   

What are the most important qualities that a Chechen woman ideally must have?    

Aset: Stamina and emotional stability are the most important. A Chechen woman is a mother first and foremost – she has to bring up the kids and look after hearth and home – it’s all down to her.   

Our women are famous for their devotion and shyness, but the most important things are stamina and emotional stability. We have to handle with dignity all that life burdens us with.   

If you had a daughter, what would you wish for her?  

Makka: I would wish for her to grow up in Islam, to learn her religion, its culture and rules, and first and foremost for her to respect her elders. She must have a goal and strive for it. This goal is to submit to Allah. Of course, she has to study and be educated, she has to behave and know how to work. She has to educate her kids, behave properly with others and submit to her husband and her family. I don’t know what else to say.   


Here, when a girl gets married, she has to try hard for all the family – for her sister-in-law and mother-in-law. It’s nice when relatives of the father say good things about your mother. It’s a must for her to make them speak well of her. It’s a must to work equally for everybody, not putting anyone first, especially the husband. I think that you have to respect yourself more than your husband and your relatives and everybody will respect you.   

Isn’t that very hard?   

Makka: No, it’s not. You are protecting your kids this way, because then your kids will need support from their relatives. Our women never give up, I know that. Even if her husband drinks and beats her, still, she would treat his relatives as if nothing happens. It’s all just for the children.   

What do you think - can a man beat a woman?   

Makka: Islam does not support it, especially if beating leaves bruises on a woman’s body.   

Aset: Well, may be if she really messed up in front of him… The main punishment in Islam is not to beat someone, but to ignore them. If a woman is left without attention she is left trying to understand what has happened and why her husband does not pay her any attention. Of course, this does not mean that all Chechens are all like this, blessed and god-fearing people. No, Chechens and real believers – they are different people. It does not matter if you are Chechen or not. They say, “You, Chechens, you did this and that”. But there are different types of people among Russians too. Every human being must try to save his community and his good name.     

Could you please explain: what is the difference between Chechen rules (adats) and Islam?   

Aset: Of course there is a difference. I am re-educating my parents now and they can't comprehend it: "You want to teach me this and that, but I am many years older than you are". Of course I do have clashes with my mom and my dad, and then I show them what's in the Quran. Of course mom used not to approve, she was having fights with my dad: "Look, your daughter is dressed like a nun, say something to her, tell her how she should dress!" It was about six years ago. And my father used to say: "Let her dress like this, she is not going to a disco!" I changed a lot. I was sure that when I grew up I would become a business lady with a briefcase, in a suit, on high heels. That was the vision of myself I had when I was 14 or 15 years old. And then I started to read and think a lot. I would stop a woman in a hijab on a road and ask her, “Why are you wearing this?” There were very few of them then, and people used to swear at them on public transport. Mothers wanted to protect their sons, and they did not dress like this in order not to attract attention, because we all knew what was happening – the guys with beards [suspected of following radical Islam] were stopped and sometimes it ended badly. Then times changed and my mother started to approve of me too. I was scared to tell her that she had to put on a headscarf as well. It is very hard to tell this to your mother. But now she wears it herself, and sometimes tells me, “Hey daughter, why aren’t you praying, preacher girl!”

Makka: Now I will answer the question about the difference between Chechen traditions and Islam. For instance, Islam does not approve of having a date with a guy. A girl cannot go on a date alone, or a guy cannot kidnap a girl, such as is the tradition here. Have you heard of that? And, thank God, we no longer have these customs of which religion would not approve. In the Chechen mentality, a woman can be alone with the relatives of her husband, but Islam does not approve of it. There is a certain clash between Islam and the Chechen mentality and this causes disagreements between people. It causes problems when your family, which follows only Chechen culture, does not understand.            
Mairbeck Yunusov, a healer and exorcist at the government-sponsored Islamic Medical Center in Grozny  

It is easier for a demon to seize a woman than a man, because a woman is more emotional. She’s weaker on her own. A genie can fall in love with her and then seize her.   Normally genies are afraid of people. When a genie comes to visit you at night to torture you, you say: “I’m not afraid of you and I’ll beat you.”
And you feel like you are beating him and the genie doesn’t come any more. But if you get scared, he’ll keep coming and torturing you. Women are an easily frightened lot in that respect.  

We have the custom of performing ablutions after sexual intercourse: both the man and the woman have to wash themselves before morning prayers. Usually women feel shy and try to pour the ablution water away at night, surreptitiously. But if a drop or two of that water touches a genie – you can be sure he’ll either make you sick in some way or seize your body.  
Women are into magic. Ninety five per cent of those who use sorcerers’ services are women. Why do they go there? They want something to be done to this person and something else to be done to that person, and for themselves they want their trade to go well… and if you go to a sorcerer and believe in him, then you prayers don’t get answered for forty days.
A woman goes to sorcerers, therefore Satan, who is after each one of us, says: “That woman is prone to sins, so let’s lead her astray as far as possible.”  
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